Comments on: Democracy 2.0? http://shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/2008/11/11/democracy-20/ Strategy at the cusp of technology, investment and regulation Thu, 04 Mar 2010 23:34:48 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: anrosh http://shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/2008/11/11/democracy-20/comment-page-1/#comment-575 anrosh Mon, 17 Nov 2008 08:14:03 +0000 http://www.shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/?p=457#comment-575 i am thinking aloud here: don't business take the help of popular blogs to conduct a poll for them. for eg: the blog apartment therapy often conducts many polls without giving the name of the company. some industries have more advantage than others - educational institutions have been doing that for a long time time. market research and publishing companies have joined the bandwagon. Vault.com started as a participatory formula, but now have limited participation depending upon the terms of membership you have. the more you pay, the more you can participate and get the benefit of others comments. democracy 2.0 blogs start on a participatory note but sometimes the candidate ( in politics and election campaign ) begin to feel the "field day that bloggers can have" if they make a"politically incorrect statement". Hillary Clinton mentioned that. When it comes to restaurant reviews, some blogs give an honest perspective, but when the blog gets attention from large publishing companies, the columns try to twist the truth. with reference to democracy 2.0 and india - how many percent of indians are connected to the internet ? is that a correct sample size to gauge the umbrella view, again we are coming down to somebody who knows what blogs are , write them , read them. Campaigns in india are conducted very differently ( apples and books ) than the US. the majority want - roti, kapda, makhan (logical enough and practical). the variables are very complex. regional, ethnic, religious, caste, class, language... the list is endless.. i am thinking aloud here:

don’t business take the help of popular blogs to conduct a poll for them. for eg: the blog apartment therapy often conducts many polls without giving the name of the company.

some industries have more advantage than others – educational institutions have been doing that for a long time time. market research and publishing companies have joined the bandwagon. Vault.com started as a participatory formula, but now have limited participation depending upon the terms of membership you have. the more you pay, the more you can participate and get the benefit of others comments.

democracy 2.0 blogs start on a participatory note but sometimes the candidate ( in politics and election campaign ) begin to feel the “field day that bloggers can have” if they make a”politically incorrect statement”. Hillary Clinton mentioned that.

When it comes to restaurant reviews, some blogs give an honest perspective, but when the blog gets attention from large publishing companies, the columns try to twist the truth.

with reference to democracy 2.0 and india – how many percent of indians are connected to the internet ? is that a correct sample size to gauge the umbrella view, again we are coming down to somebody who knows what blogs are , write them , read them. Campaigns in india are conducted very differently ( apples and books ) than the US. the majority want – roti, kapda, makhan (logical enough and practical). the variables are very complex. regional, ethnic, religious, caste, class, language… the list is endless..

]]> By: Kirit Kiran http://shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/2008/11/11/democracy-20/comment-page-1/#comment-573 Kirit Kiran Fri, 14 Nov 2008 16:47:03 +0000 http://www.shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/?p=457#comment-573 Quite an interesting read especially when the flow is taken out from businesses to [Indian] democracy. I do think Obama's initiative of the using Web 2.0 to his benefit is a small step forward. Having said that, I can not help but cast doubts over its spread. Whenever we talk of a nation, our conversations presume that the entire populace of the country is educated and tech-savvy or the former. But as you said, apart from the demographics, what other factors. Well for one, how concerned is an educated individual, the one who is earning enough to be "happy", you know the television idea of happiness of flora butter and nice couch, colour HDTV, etc etc, to participate in a democratic exercise. Democracy is already open source, that is the fundamental truth. How many people exercise it or bring it in practice or make themselves an audience and participant at the same time is what will determine the idea of Democracy 2.0 And this will happen only when we know there is a positive result at the end. Soldiers go to war thinking that it will bring peace to their nation, (although it is quite an inane idea); similarly what is the remuneration for the people involved? But more importantly, what is the motivation? And why have Web 2.0 only when you can dramatically reframe the push-and-pull principle of Internet and apply it to say sectors like films. Godard had problems with his audience, his contempt is well known. I'd say you involve the viewers to an extent that they can understand that the crap sold to them these days in the name of FILMS is nothing more than a soap bubble that should be burst. TV 2.0 might soon be a reality. It is starting out in the worst form possible in India, the way I see it. And I reckon it will take 10 years (at least that is if the force of gods is with us; Ahh religion 2.0, remember the online aartis and pujas one could do when flash animation suddenly burst out hahaha) to get to that status if producers like Ekta Kapur are beaten to a pulp by their audiences. I do think the reason Kyunki Saas... was finally pulled out was the growing discontent among the whole of India and a majority of that was voiced on Internet. I think Obama's victory signals, very strongly, at the importance of interactivity and social networking (viral marketing) that really becomes the hangout zone. Instead of coffee shops and cafeterias, you see. On a personal note, I think Democracy 2.0 in India should not be brought into practice until the entire country is controlled esp in today's times when knowledge economy (though portrayed as something on the ZENITH) is pretty regressive and consumerist. Quite an interesting read especially when the flow is taken out from businesses to [Indian] democracy. I do think Obama’s initiative of the using Web 2.0 to his benefit is a small step forward. Having said that, I can not help but cast doubts over its spread. Whenever we talk of a nation, our conversations presume that the entire populace of the country is educated and tech-savvy or the former.
But as you said, apart from the demographics, what other factors. Well for one, how concerned is an educated individual, the one who is earning enough to be “happy”, you know the television idea of happiness of flora butter and nice couch, colour HDTV, etc etc, to participate in a democratic exercise. Democracy is already open source, that is the fundamental truth. How many people exercise it or bring it in practice or make themselves an audience and participant at the same time is what will determine the idea of Democracy 2.0
And this will happen only when we know there is a positive result at the end. Soldiers go to war thinking that it will bring peace to their nation, (although it is quite an inane idea); similarly what is the remuneration for the people involved? But more importantly, what is the motivation?
And why have Web 2.0 only when you can dramatically reframe the push-and-pull principle of Internet and apply it to say sectors like films. Godard had problems with his audience, his contempt is well known. I’d say you involve the viewers to an extent that they can understand that the crap sold to them these days in the name of FILMS is nothing more than a soap bubble that should be burst. TV 2.0 might soon be a reality. It is starting out in the worst form possible in India, the way I see it. And I reckon it will take 10 years (at least that is if the force of gods is with us; Ahh religion 2.0, remember the online aartis and pujas one could do when flash animation suddenly burst out hahaha) to get to that status if producers like Ekta Kapur are beaten to a pulp by their audiences.
I do think the reason Kyunki Saas… was finally pulled out was the growing discontent among the whole of India and a majority of that was voiced on Internet.
I think Obama’s victory signals, very strongly, at the importance of interactivity and social networking (viral marketing) that really becomes the hangout zone. Instead of coffee shops and cafeterias, you see.
On a personal note, I think Democracy 2.0 in India should not be brought into practice until the entire country is controlled esp in today’s times when knowledge economy (though portrayed as something on the ZENITH) is pretty regressive and consumerist.

]]> By: aanteladda http://shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/2008/11/11/democracy-20/comment-page-1/#comment-574 aanteladda Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:04:46 +0000 http://www.shefaly-yogendra.com/blog/?p=457#comment-574 It will be interesting to see how much the recession contributes to the uptake of this way of doing things. It would be strange indeed to see business2.0 take the lead from politics2.0! I think his biggest contribution has been to give proof of the concept. The rest of the journey from here is (hopefully) just a volume game. Re: other countries and cultures, the barriers will be economic and therefore will need institutional support (internet access from work, public libraries etc.). The key to big success of course is monetisation that creates incentives for the participating public. Personally, for me, this is big for the education sector. I see the demise of the traditional college. Others may see the demise of journalism. Then, imagine global soap operas scripted interactively! It will be interesting to see how much the recession contributes to the uptake of this way of doing things. It would be strange indeed to see business2.0 take the lead from politics2.0! I think his biggest contribution has been to give proof of the concept. The rest of the journey from here is (hopefully) just a volume game. Re: other countries and cultures, the barriers will be economic and therefore will need institutional support (internet access from work, public libraries etc.). The key to big success of course is monetisation that creates incentives for the participating public.
Personally, for me, this is big for the education sector. I see the demise of the traditional college. Others may see the demise of journalism. Then, imagine global soap operas scripted interactively!

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